The Business of Digital Podcast

E142 – Tips for the Remote Work Life w/ Aleyda Solis

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daverohrer

Taking advantage of Aleyda’s lack of a travel schedule, her past two years starting and working on Remoters.net and her life as remoter/work from home type the past 7+ years we thought she was the perfect guest to dig into this topic.

She also just posted a Work from Home Worker Checklist (link below) for those working remotely from home for the first time that newbies to this way of working (Matt & Dave both have been remote/WFH for many years now too).

Remote Work Resources

Aleyda’s First Time Remoting Tips

  1. Have a routine. Have discipline and use that and the routine so you start the day and end the day.
  2. Have a specific space for work. Have a room if possible or a corner that you work at and can walk away from at the end of the day. The goal is to have a separation of “work space” and “living space”. For those that live with significant others or children this will also signal to them that “you are at work”.
  3. Set a schedule. Again this leaving the “work space” will create a separation from working at home and living at home.
  4. Upgrade your equipment for not comfort (table, chair, monitor, video, etc.) but a quality mic and headphones. If possible noise canceling headphones will help you focus if you life and work with others.
  5. Having a schedule will help others know when to reach out to you or when you will be looking at email/Skype/Slack/etc. Also have internal rules for when the team should have conference calls, video calls, slack chat hours, etc.

Full Transcript

*as always this is not an exact and correct transcript as it is done by AI but it is VERY close for those that want to read instead of listen*

Matt Siltala: [00:00:00] Hey guys, excited to have you join us on another one of these business of digital podcast. And today, Dave, uh, I am really excited you’re that right, Dave? Yes. So we have a special guest. I’m Alita solace, and I’m, I just with, with what’s going on in the world right now, and.

And, uh, so many people working from home. I am so excited that to have this conversation and talk about, you know, the remote work life and whatnot. But, uh, before we really jumped into it, I just want to give a, um, a Lita shout out and say, thanks for joining us, my friend. It’s good to have you on

Aleyda Solis: [00:00:44] the air.

Thank you very much for the invite is, uh, super excited to be talking with you and Dave about something that is actually not a CEO. So this is, there was nice, this difference. I, I love it. Thank God.

Matt Siltala: [00:00:59] But before [00:01:00] we really jumped into, I mean, if you want to give her the, our listeners a little bit of a. A brief, uh, background, uh, to who you are, some that may not know you or are new or whatever.

Just give a little bit of an introduction and what, what you want people to know about yourself and then we’ll jump into it.

Aleyda Solis: [00:01:15] Yes, sure thing. Well, I am actually an SEO consultant. I have a boutique SEO solvency that is called, um. Alrighty. We work with clients from all over the world. It is me and three more people who are also SEO consultants and we are spread out.

So we are remoting general. Right? And this is the thing. Until now, what I usually tend to do is that, uh, I work. From home when I was at home, I have a home office, a room for that only. And then I, I tend to travel a lot because I go a lot to conferences. I speak a lot, uh, in conferences, uh, from all over the world.

And I tend to do that because, uh, well, it’s a great way, not only to promote of [00:02:00] course, but also to keep learning also to network because I am also. Not necessarily an extrovert, but an ambivert. So I still need to have like my socialization with likeminded people. But yes, of course, that is not the case anymore.

I live in Spain, actually. I’m basing the North of Spain and scenes. Three days ago we, we had been locked out. Uh, by law, we cannot go out unless if it is to go to the supermarket, right. Or to the hospital or basic fundamental services or needs. So yes, I’m pretty, I’m pretty stuck now for the next at least, um, 15 days, two weeks, and let’s see.

Hopefully that you would, but realistically, I think it’s going to take longer than that to flatten the curve of a Corona virus. Uh, spreads is that, uh, the country has right now is unfortunate. And, uh, so yes, now I am, it’s crazy because I really thought that, uh, of course, canceling all events for the next three months at least, or things like that.

Right. But realistically, I’m [00:03:00] boosting because of course, I still, I still, um, w I’m still working with Glines as usual on one hand, and then the, all, all of this events. A dollar online, webinars, a lot of webinars coming up, et cetera. And I have also been publishing on remoters, uh, the website that I have because indeed, like, um, since 2015, I started this website to share what I was already doing at that point.

Right. I started working remotely in 2011, so I said this website without, um, Elisa, a microphone there. Uh, who’s also an SEO consultant, uh, about how to work remotely, would interviews with remote based, um, professionals companies to, to show their journeys. Uh, we have a free, uh, remote jobs board to a tool section, et cetera.

And since, uh, Sunday after all of this craziness started, and I had been already thinking for a while to start like a group, uh, for. Remote basis, euros, marketers. So that [00:04:00] was like the last, like the last little. Push that I needed. I started this group in this court that is called their loaders water cooler.

And now we are 500 people who are w we are all, whether SEOs or marketers and, but, and literally there is a channel for a bit. Everything for remote work, uh, for working remote, um, guides, tools, jobs, uh, to keep healthy fitness for gamers, another channel channel for parents, uh, helping each other with. From a business perspective ride like movies to watch online courses that we can.

Um, like a Luca during these times. And, uh, but funnily enough, like we talk pretty much about everything, not necessarily only SEO, right? I think it’s, that is the, the one topic that doesn’t have its own specific channel. Right. That’s because I think that it is a moment, indeed where we all need to support each other as humans also as a community.

Right. And, and try to help and keep the, [00:05:00] uh, normalcy as much as possible. Well,

Matt Siltala: [00:05:02] and, and I love that. I’ll let Dave jump here in a second. Cause I know that there’s several things that he wanted to kick off with you, but something that I love that you’d mentioned the other communities coming together and giving suggestions for different things, even with kids, because a lot of us are at the age, you know, I have, I have three kids, uh, ages 13 to 19.

And, um, you know, they’re all stuck at home now for, I don’t know how long. And so those kinds of resources, and I’ve already taken advantage of them. Some of them, which has been kind of neat. I, you know, some groups that have suggested things and I’m thinking like, wow, um, I had no idea that, um, you know, like it was just like something that I hadn’t thought about that you could do.

And that was what I learned from groups like that. So like, it’s so important with what’s going on in this day and age. And so with that said. Um, Dave, jump in and let me not to steer the direction of this conversation any differently than you want it.

Dave Rohrer: [00:05:59] They can go wherever it [00:06:00] wants. Um, yeah, the, I’ve always had you written down to TAVI you come talk about international SEO and then all this happened and I saw that you were actually stuck.

Quote unquote stuck at home. Um, and if anyone follows Alaina on Instagram, I probably message her way too much about it and I laugh. But, um, at least once a week, there’s either a wing shot or, um, a story of her, her rating a, uh, a lounge, some at some airport somewhere in the world,

Matt Siltala: [00:06:31] whichever she posts are the ones that make me jealous.

Which

Aleyda Solis: [00:06:34] one? The food shots.

Dave Rohrer: [00:06:35] Yeah, there’s

Aleyda Solis: [00:06:36] that too. Yeah. I am a foodie now. Now. Now I’m pretty, I’m pretty fucked up because I need to cook myself. Yeah. I’m a foodie. I like to eat good food. Sadly, I don’t, I don’t have those skills to make good food. So it’s unfortunate. It’s unfortunate.

Dave Rohrer: [00:06:55] Yeah. The, uh, but I think it’s, this was an interesting topic [00:07:00] just because I think we talked about it, Matt, you’ve been.

Working remote since you moved from Utah down to Arizona. I’m running, helping run the company, you know, not the day to day, but I know you’ve for years have done lots of stuff. Um, you know, alotta you’ve been doing your thing, and I think I was doing the math yesterday. I worked at an agency, CA Vario, and then I prospect from 2011 to 2015 and I was.

Remote, like 90 95% of the time, unless they needed me to come into the office or I was speaking at a conference and then since 2015 I’ve been quote unquote remote, you know, working in my own home office by myself and . How long have you been remote then?

Aleyda Solis: [00:07:43] I started working remotely in 2012 as an employee still when I was hired by this company that was originally from Russia, but they were putting together at the time and marketing team that was spread across the, the Euro because they [00:08:00] S they wanted to start targeting the European market.

Right. And, uh, and we started to work remotely. Uh, from Spain, from Italy, another person was in Germany. So it was a really nice first remote experience because it allows me to really understand in a, in a very, I would say like very fair way, safe way too, because we were all spread out. We were all in the same school circumstances, so we were all helping each other.

We were all higher, more or less at the same time. So it was. It was quite nice, up verse, nice remote experience. And after that, um, most of my positions were also remote base and I didn’t see too. And when I became independent, when I started, um, as a, as a freelance consultant, I, the only thing that I knew is that.

I want it to continue having this freedom, this flexibility around my life. So I stay up, um, remote too. And, um, and, and, and that was also [00:09:00] very natural for me because most of the clients that I had were all spread out. They were not in the city where I was leaving anyway. So it makes. In complete sense that I was going to be like this and don’t, I didn’t have to have to go to specific office because not all my clients were at that city anyway.

And so, um, I ended up like brewing a lot, but more like this and, and, and collaborating with other consultants to deliver better. Uh, more, um, solutions and, and, and be able to better fulfill the clients, of course. And there are also rewards. So it was very natural evolution, uh, also for, for me. And, uh, I have to have to say, like, probably like best professional decision ever that I have done in my life has, um, been to get into SEO.

And the second best. Potentially that very is to be remote, right. To be removed because he had a law. It has allowed me to [00:10:00] have so much balance, flexibility, opportunity to travel, opportunity to do, do what I love, and not being tied to a specific location in order to be successful or to have a good.

Professional evolution, right? That that should be for me, that I didn’t know. Um, and, and an option for all of digital marketers or developers or, or people with a profession that can be completely doable online at this point.

Dave Rohrer: [00:10:27] Yeah. I worked once, when I was at Clario, my project managers would either be in a.

San Diego, Chicago, sometimes downtown where I was in my own office. Um, and then I think I had one and I had account managers in Madison, uh, Phoenix, uh, Dallas Fort worth, I think later on. Team members could be anywhere. They could be at their own home, and Orlando, Boston, Madison, Chicago, their own house, San Diego, and [00:11:00] you know, we would get on calls and it was, you know, what’s funny is, especially in our urban business with consultants and PPC, SEO, you know, social, like everyone will be at their desk joining a call.

So if everyone’s at their desk or there’s maybe two people in a meeting and two people in another office, what’s the difference if four people are at their own home sometimes like I’m not, I’ve never understood the apprehension of why do these two people have to meet in these two different offices when all four could be working from home.

Aleyda Solis: [00:11:33] 100% 100% yeah. It’s, for me, it’s also very funny, and I have to, I have to say that, um, many U S based companies, they are already very open, uh, for remote because I think that in the U S you have many companies that are already very spread out between the East West coast also, um, with a few, um. [00:12:00] Maybe spread out that also from in the meat of the country thinks like that.

Right? And have whatever in Spain, and this also is very cultural, right? You have, you have this tendency of whenever you want to do business with someone too, the first thing that. I am requested. It’s like, can you please come to our office to have a coffee and talk? Right. So it’s very, it’s very personal.

The you start building or establishing this personal relationships, pairs, it seems or feels like right before going to the business side of it. And literally, um, I have. Had meetings in the past that cute have been done completely, uh, via hangout or a zoom call. Right. And without requiring to, to travel, take a train or to take even a short flight or something like that.

So, yeah, I think it’s, it’s very old school in certain countries also because of cultural reasons. And I can’t imagine also in certain, in certain sectors

Matt Siltala: [00:12:59] too. [00:13:00] Well that, that just makes me laugh when you say it. Cause it reminds me of the meme that’s been going around that salt. Now you’re going to really decide which meetings were, were really important, uh, or in, in person meetings, what you know, which one of them, which one of those kinds of meetings are really important.

Now that all this is going on, just made me laugh. I’m sure you’ve seen that one going around.

Aleyda Solis: [00:13:19] Yeah, 100% now we are going to realize how many of those meetings were actually men to be meetings. And, and, and, and, and then easily became now emails, sometimes like short emails to show messages or short chats, group chats over Slack.

Very true.

Dave Rohrer: [00:13:40] I hate meetings. Um,

Aleyda Solis: [00:13:43] we all do. We all, we hear you. We hear

Dave Rohrer: [00:13:45] you. I’ve never liked him. Um, in some of my talks, I, I include, um, uh, a calculator too. It’s called a meeting cost calculator. And what it does is, and I can think, I’ll include the Lincoln here, I’m in the writeup, but [00:14:00] you, you calculate an average and say there’s, there’s eight people on this.

Um, what is the hourly average like person? What, what, what are they, what are those? Each of those eight people make per hour calculate it. And then you started, there’s a little timer and then you time it, and at the end of the meeting it tells you how much it costs that company. And consultants and time and money, uh, to have that meeting.

And he’s like,  could we all just been at our desk and having an email? Probably. Um, and speaking of one tool, what is a tool? Um, actually let me back up. When you first started and you know, going back the, what is it, eight years now, um, a lot of people either want to work remote or some people have tried it and didn’t like it.

What. Would be one or two things, or maybe three, if there’s three or whatever. Um, would you tell yourself, or someone just starting like, yes. What suggestions do you have?

Aleyda Solis: [00:14:58] My suggestion is [00:15:00] that, um, to have a routine, right, that that is very important because it might be difficult at the beginning to get used to, to get the discipline right, to feel that you are, you are actually working or that you are.

You also feel productive, right? I, in my case, I was raised in a very traditional way, so of course I had, I wasn’t a little bit afraid when I was starting and I had lot of, a lot of of concerns is like how my boss will know that I am actually working how I was like. So it’s very, very important to. Have a routine.

And, and then also if you’re working with other people that you all all agree and, and you have already said, um, a framework or a protocol to, to work together to, so you know that you are going and there’s an agreement and, and, and a knowledgement that you aren’t going to keep. For example, your usual schedule from eight to five to nine to six, something like that.

And, um, and I think that even if, of course you [00:16:00] want to. Work comfortably from, uh, from, from home. You don’t want to be, you’re a guy, you don’t want to be wearing a tie. Right. Of course. So it’s of course to be comfortable, but I will say that I, I grid recommend against wearing your PJ’s all day long. Uh, because then I think that it’s harder for you to switch your mind.

And, and to focus that you are actually working. You are not, you know, doing whatever you’re actually working. And then that you leave a certain physical space in your house, in your home, in your apartment, even if you have limited space because maybe not a big place, at least in your living room, if you can have a separate room for it, at least in your living room.

Um. A little corner that has enough light, uh, that is not in the middle of everything where you can actually, uh, see, then have your own table and have your wrong, comfortable chair when you can have your, your computer, your laptop, um, where you feel [00:17:00] comfortable that would, so whenever you go to that.

Specific space, you know that you are going into work. And that is also important that if you live with all the people that you talk with these people and you communicate this and you set also and acknowledge that there should be some rules that when you are sitting there that you are actually working.

That you cannot go and do course around the house, the house. Right. And or, or that you cannot. Um, you know, talk or to chat or whatever because you, you need to be concentrated, right? So it’s important to, to have this mindset like, I’m going to my workspace in my home. So I started working. And then after, at the end of the day, it’s also important that you set a schedule and, and, and you, and not just because you are at home, you are working all the time because it’s much more difficult to disconnect, right?

So you know that when the time comes after, like at the end of the day, you live your. Your workspace, so you leave work there [00:18:00] that you don’t take. You avoid taking the laptop with you, do to watch TV or to the kitchen while you are cooking or things like that because otherwise you will never disconnect with, I think that is a big, big, big mistake and can end up burning you out quite easily.

Right. Um, I have to say also then another tip that I will give in case in case you are. What can you not in a place with many of the people at the same time to around the house, et cetera, is that you buy, um, like some, some headphones that are insulate the noise, right? Like, like, um, so you, you, you don’t gaggle the noise all the time that you are not disturbed.

That has also, um. Not only, not only it’s a lady headphones, but it also has a good quality Mike. And, um, so you can also speak with clients or with your teams quite easily, would it too. So no, most clients will need [00:19:00] headphones on one hand with microphones. I will, I will say that it will be a really good investment, uh, to make, uh, and then of course, if, if, if you want to have, um, video conferences, I think that the best in case you had that.

You don’t have a laptop that has the camera integrated will be to also invest in a good one because I really do think that that is one of the things that people don’t realize that a lot of things that they will, although wise, bring their colleague to show in their computer. Physically they can do it.

So by sharing the screen on a hangout or doing a screen past, uh, or, or recording their screen, or a screenshot like this. So having a good video system also. Help very much, and sharing. And instead of trying to explain some things that are much more complex to explain, it’s far better to show them like this.

Right. Um, and then what else? I will say that also [00:20:00] a very important thing is to set a communication protocol in case that you are part of a bigger team, right? That we like all the team is aware when it is. Okay to send a Slack, a direct message or a group message, right? A synchronous text communication versus when they really actually need a video conference call or request, um, um, a reply right away, BDO.

Right. Or when is, this is a good time to go into a hangout to discuss something. Uh, so it’s important to S to agreed or the find your rules or when it’s okay to do what to avoid. Bugging each other to avoid, like, you don’t want to be the typical one, like requesting calls when it is not really necessary or vice versa.

And then of course, yeah. If decisions are made that are important and are critical and everybody should be aware of that, and you have a good price product management system and also protocol around that system. So, um, it’s important [00:21:00] that when something like when you talk with someone about something that you agree with, like after every decision is made, that will affect all the people that we go to, the brake management system and, and, and the command that in, uh, in, um, in essence.

Very well structured way. And that, for example, don’t use only Slack because otherwise you will end up having plans of chats that are like these organize or random chats over Slack. And someone might say, Oh, but we told you about that two weeks ago or a week ago over a Slack message that we sent to you.

And, um. And, uh, of course, like you were also following up with Manny all the chats at the same time. Right? So it’s important that we don’t extrapolate those, um, communication challenges and that we used to have in the physical world, in the physical office, to the online saying, right, that we take this opportunity to organize, [00:22:00] to establish protocols, to establish, to assist them to, to avoid all of this challenges.

Dave Rohrer: [00:22:07] If you. Cause you, it’s your agency, you’re a manager, owner. Um, and you’ve got a couple people that worked for you. If there was two tools that you live in, you, you would say that you live and die by, or that would be the most important, what would they be? Oh, sorry. I hate Slack. So I’m so glad you used discord.

Not, yes.

Aleyda Solis: [00:22:25] Yes. I actually have to say I really disliked Slack because it is, start that in a very cool way. Like, Oh, this like cool chatting system that can be used for, for, um, business related or work related purposes. Right. But can easily be mismanaged. And it ends up being this very. Um, you know, interest safe type of, of, of, uh, of the way to interact with each other.

So I actually dislike it because I find that a lot of people and [00:23:00] companies use it instead of actually using a seminar based GAM or present management system where the information will be much better organized. Or, or documented and that, yeah, indeed, indeed you cannot even find, and then you lose messages after out, uh, wildlife.

You don’t pay the, the, the professional version and the professional version is like the prizes. It’s not trivial, right. If you have a big ABIC team. So yeah. Anyway, so that is, I, I also disliked Slack and that is the reason why the other day I was asking like in which blood form you will actually like to, to, to see, uh, um, a group for remote basis CEO’s at just like with the winner.

Dave Rohrer: [00:23:44] And for those just starting or that are suddenly for the first time ever gone remote. Um, look up the latest Twitter and you’ll see that she knows, she asked, was it discord? Slack. Um, you know, some other type solution if you’re looking for ways, [00:24:00] um, and I know Ryan Jones just posted something and anything, it was your, your idea and someone else’s was to have office hours on Skype.

Like use Google Hangouts, you use different tools and try different tools at this time.

Aleyda Solis: [00:24:14] Yeah. I have to say that there’s the, the actually like very cool tools for this. Uh, there is a tool that is called Pooka team actually, and there is another one that is very similar in that it’s called sneak a.io.

That, uh, they are amazing to set daily group social breaks, type of video chats with your team. And these tools also allow you to set this virtual type of, uh, remote offices because they, they, if you want, you can configure them to be filming you, but without sound and not actually filming, but taking like snapshots of you at every X hours, right?

So you feel. That you are surrounded or around your team in [00:25:00] our, in your will to our rule, right? You know, if you’re tall working on the run, then, and of course at the end of the day or the meat of the day, whenever you will be having a break, for example, you can, you can set a video conferences called a one click video conferences call in a very straightforward way.

So I will highly recommend you to take a look at these two tools, sneak that IO Pooka team. And then I will say that, um, also from, from, um, um, um, a communication perspective. Um, I am a, as I mentioned before, um, I, what I do a lot with clients is to take screencasts. So I use Snagit. Or a screen test. Somatic exam is another tool that I will use to do this, to easily share screencasts, videos of, of my screen, showing my client, uh, what I, what I, what I really want them to to do.

Right. And I’m very so far away, so there are no miscommunications or NAMI sorts misunderstanding. So these are other tools that are highly recommended. [00:26:00] And instead of using. Um, it’s like, of course you can use Slack as long as you said good rules. Stablish rituals, rules around it. Uh, but I will say that it will be much better.

You leverage your project management system messaging system that is likely chat system that is already likely integrated there. Like base camp has one, for example. I know that an a has one, eh, do you have. Like the less amount of tools, because the other issue is that we ended up having like three different or four different.

Tools that in some ways they overlay what you would it charter from a fortune Mallory perspective. And we ended up having like at the end, like fentanyls to work around and switching around and can’t, that can generate an additional hassles that is completely unnecessary. And then from, and the most important tool, I will say that, and we don’t think about it as if it was a remote tool, but a, the Google for business.

Uh, I have their, my email, I have there, my calendar, uh, that [00:27:00] integrates very well Google hangout. So whenever I have a call with a client or or whatever, I sign up, conference call request, it is upset that, and then I hang out links. It is integrated right there directly. So, so yes. And then although the hand zoom, so is super powerful, is the best option to, I will say, a more reliable, and this table.

A high quality option to do webinars or to do online trainings with Manny peoples or to do conference calls with many people on record then, or for Dukie hangout who handles, they don’t still yet offer that option. Um, so yes, I think that in general, I will say, let me think of something else. It will be.

It will be that. Then another thing that I’m thinking about regarding productivity, right? I, we, I know that we cannot, it’s very difficult to keep. A focus for more than 20 minutes at a time or something. So there’s [00:28:00] something that is, that is called the Pomodoro technique. That is a time management methods that I follow or try to follow.

At least that tells you, okay, you can be. Focusing on a task, um, 25 minutes by default. So after the 25 minutes, it’s okay for you to take five minutes break. And after four Pomodoros for, um, uh, Springs off of work of 25 minutes. And, and with five minute breaks, you are allowed to take, uh, 20 minutes or 20 minutes break.

So it’s nice because it allows you to set specific. That’s goals that you want to achieve, for example, and a, and go through them in different form of dollar in different from other arrows and, and after then awhile, then you are also have little breaks to, to connect a little bit in social media to, to refresh for a beer, to do a little bit of.

Exercising the longer promote in the longer breaks. Right? So I think it’s good to also [00:29:00] balance it out your work day to split your work day. So it’s not only work or work and you end up super tiring and, and, and feeling that you cannot focus anymore or be productive. Right. We need also to take breaks and it’s okay.

That’s

Matt Siltala: [00:29:14] wonderful. I, you know, it’s just been fascinating listening and, and such great advice and, and I’m, and I’m glad that you took the time to, um. Share those tools and those tips and, and chat with us today. I really, you know, I’m glad that Dave took advantage of the situation of you being in one spot so we could get you on and record.

Um, but, uh, I, I do appreciate you taking the time with us and sharing all this great information. So I don’t know if you have any final thoughts, Dave.

Dave Rohrer: [00:29:45] Um, I’m going to drop a link in, it’s to bleepingcomputer.com. You’re curious and now make sure later it gives me a list of all the tools she just dropped, um, that she can think of.

And I’ll double check it when I, when I listened through.

Aleyda Solis: [00:29:59] Yes. [00:30:00] If, if you, if you, if you want any of them, just let me know. I’ll send you the link. Sorry.

Dave Rohrer: [00:30:05] And I’ll also drop in a link to, I think you’re the one that dropped it somewhere. Um, air table. It’s got a list of. Internal webinar meetings and like online courses and all sorts of other stuff.

But there’s also, if you’re curious about any of the tools and you’re like, well, you know, business just turned down, or we’re a small team and we have a limited budget. Bleeping computer has a link, and it’s most companies right now, not, not all, but a ton of companies are extending trials. They’re extending, um, free services to businesses like, um, CloudFlare discord.

Um, I think zoom is doing something where they extended their free trial. They’re dropping limits on entry level, um, offerings and you’ll be able to test, I mean, if you, if you’re ever looking to test new solutions now, it’d be a great time to have your team while everyone’s remote, load up the three different chat things, load up the four [00:31:00] different, you know, video conferencing and start testing and, you know, beat them around and see which one longterm might make sense for you.

Um, and again, I’ll drop a ton of links into.

Aleyda Solis: [00:31:14] Sorry. All

Matt Siltala: [00:31:15] right. And well, we thank you once again, Lita. And, um, like we said, we’ll have access to all the information that we talked about. We’ll put links in the write up and if there’s any questions that you have, uh, for any of us, you know, just feel, feel free to reach out to us. And, uh, we’re grateful that you shared this time with us.

And. Yes,

Dave Rohrer: [00:31:37] we have tons more people in there. There’s one. Yeah, there was like, I just looked this morning, there’s almost, there’s 500

Aleyda Solis: [00:31:41] people. You said there’s more now than there are motors, water cooler, and if you don’t see the link easily or you cannot find it,

Dave Rohrer: [00:31:51] we’ll tweet it out.

Aleyda Solis: [00:31:52] Yes, please. Perfect.

Matt Siltala: [00:31:55] Well, for Alita and Dave, I met silk Ulla and we’re thankful that you guys joined us [00:32:00] on this podcast and we look forward to having you on again.

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